Musings from the pub

You don't need to go to conferences for mind expansion. We have a group that meets at a local pub. It is unstructured, with no clear leadership. Someone asks a question and we all engage in the answers that are not assessed as either right or wrong. Some of tonight's questions included the following:

When we get to heaven, will it be a finite number – as in not increasing beyond the point of judgment (this is not related to the Mormon or Jehovah's Witness views). If we are genderless, not marrying etc, then there either needs to be a new mechanism for progeny, or the number is fixed once the redemption of creation is complete. This came out of a discussion about evolution and the new or renewed heaven and earth…

Someone else went on from this seemingly unanswerable (and probably useless) question (I can say that because I was the one who asked it) to wonder if God created a parallel universe (or any possible number of them) where Adam and Eve got it right. Is there a planet somewhere that is already living as God intended? As can be imagined, this spawned further questions, and as far as I am concerned, a fascinating plot for a sci-fi novel. The questions included:

– are we then the control group or the experimental group?

– would the alternate planet have the bible? The general view here was that they would not need one as they would still be having unimpeded communion with God.

– Would they have had different trees? – not a botanical question but a moral one – eg something different to the knowledge of good and evil…

– How would the Trinity have been revealed?

The conversation was stimulating, but the answers were not readily forthcoming. Now I know these questions are not life changing, faith growing etc, but they just may claim a bit of my sleep time tonight, particularly pondering the parallel planet possibility. Any ideas?


3 thoughts on “Musings from the pub

  1. Here’s another question:
    If there were no original Sin, then there would be no death.
    So if words in Genesis 1:20 – 22 are true
    20 And God said, “Let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every sort of fish and every kind of bird. And God saw that it was good. 22 Then God blessed them, saying, “Let the fish multiply and fill the oceans. Let the birds increase and fill the earth.”

    Would the oceans be packed to the bream with fish and the skies blacked out by birds?

  2. that sounds like it could be horrific! And it reminds me of something out of “Day of the Triffids”… I am sure that God would have had some degree of balance in mind. Even in the fallen state of creation, we see examples of amazingly balanced eco-systems. It only gets thrown out of proportion when we muck around with it – introduced species, destroyed habitat etc. So maybe there would have been some very very old birds and fish. I guess they would not have eaten each other…

  3. Oh I love this! I love to imagine Heaven, where Jesus inspires, and allows creativity to sparkle and spread, unabated… no checks… well maybe He may step in to refine a great idea, but He will let us rip. I look at my own garden, at “Bird of Paradise”, for example, and I stand in awe, then become distracted by a bird of amazing colour and complexity – many birds of complex construction. How did they happen? What are the possibilities of future ideas in Heaven?

    Are there other worlds which started long ago creating blueprints for our current Earthly designs? Does God encourage that scope of creativity in lesser beings? I think so, and hope so. We do not know. I do think that none of it came from a chance collision of molecules. It is all too fantastic and too beautiful for my mind to accept that all our world happened from chance.

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